how hardcore geeky

topic posted Thu, January 6, 2005 - 1:04 AM by  tzm
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are the folks in here?

i'm interested in tech talk WRT light machines, from both binaural theory/implementation side to hardware bits, and wondering where other folks are...

and as a sidenote, a somewhat related project:

openeeg.sourceforge.net

-- a build-it-yourself EEG, w/free software... (hardware ends up running ~$200). This is the kind of thing i'd love to mix with light/sound machines for more powerful biofeedback applications...
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  • Re: how hardcore geeky

    Thu, January 6, 2005 - 8:12 PM
    I know a fair bit about binaural beat theory (two different tones at slightly different frequencies inputed into each ear seperately) and there are some good books on the subject.

    As to building a Light Machine from scratch, I concluded long ago that this would be just like re-inventing the wheel. There are a lot of machines out there that do all that you're talking about and more and they're built by people that really know their stuff technicaly and theoriticaly.

    I look at it this way: spend 100 hours and $500 building and tweaking Light Machine with Neurofeedback capacity or spend $800 on a Light Machine with Neurofeedback and spend 50 hours learning to use it from a guy that spent 3000 hours developing it.

    I'm kind of a tweaker myself and I think that the next big step for AVE technology is in Virtual Reallty. Virtual Reality Therapy is still very much in its infancy but its capabilities far outmatch any Light Machine.

    Don't want to bore you with the details, keep in touch.

    Cheers!


    • Re: how hardcore geeky

      Fri, January 7, 2005 - 2:10 AM
      yeah but i'm one of those "why spend $300 on an mp3 player when i can build one for $50 and 6 months worth of work?" kinds of people (ok so actually i got one for xmas, but i'd already etched & put together the decoder board).

      the thing is, i like being able to do my own tweaking with stuff, and since they don't give source with the commercial models, i find it limiting.

      besides, there's a dildo interface to add :)

      i've actually got code for a basic 8-bit AVR based light/sound machine. binaural beats i've got down, plus the basic visuals, etc, with a nice little menuing interface... although it's a spread out on the desk kinda project right now.

      but i was hoping there might be e.g. grad students working on doing more in-depth analysis of light machine tech -- one of the biggest things i'm curious about, for example, is the effects of multiple frequencies (since our brains don't operate completely in alpha, beta, delta, etc... we have waves at different frequencies at different intensities)...

      also, the products i've seen so far that do biofeedback are pretty much all galvanometer or temperature based, which will be a) generally a little slower and b) less informational than even a basic EEG.

      so i want to build something different to play with.
      • Re: how hardcore geeky

        Fri, January 7, 2005 - 9:35 AM
        There is actualy one company that I know of that has an EEG type biofeedback device. Check out www.mindalive.com and look in the Bioscan section. It's called the ABT Bioscan. It'll do basic EEG scanning but I don't think to the extent you're looking for.

        This same site has a pretty good technical manual all about AVE technology ( The Rediscovery of AVE). I got it and I think it's great for learning about the basic techniques of AVE. Look in the Books section.

        I know where you're coming from about building a machine to your specs, I used to be the same way. Good luck!